Twins! Breech! Stat!


After sleeping (well, on and off) most of the night last night (my luck was good to me!), I woke up to hearing this overhead:
"Team to the OR. Twins! Breech! Stat!"
I wandered out of the call room towards the OR, blearily wiping the sleep from my eyes. I arrive there to find chaos. "Does she have an IV? No IV?" said the anesthesiologist.
I said, "What's the story here, guys?"
The resident in triage said, "I don't know, I didn't get a chance to talk, but the triage nurse says she's complete (i.e. fully dilated), ~32 weeks, with twins, first one's breech".
The intern says, "Looks like the first one's vertex to me."
By that point, I had gloves on, but no gown. I say, "OK, everybody, take a deep breath. Intern, do we have heartbeats on both babies?"
Intern says, "I can't find the body of A, but baby B's in the 150's"
I check the patient.... is that a knee or is it an elbow. Hm... move down the limb... Oh, it's a foot. Oh, and there's another foot.
Patient has a contraction. Intern is saying, "Don't push, don't push.". Now, when you're complete and have a baby in the vagina, you have a reflex where you will push when you have a contraction. It's as much a reflex as breathing. Your body knows how to have babies. Most people, especially if they don't have an epidural, can't not push in that situation.
So, the feet, knees, thighs, and scrotum of the first baby deliver. I say to the woman, "Oh, so your first baby's a boy! Any problems with the babies?" (at this point I was wondering if this was a bizarre dream) The woman says, in a gutteral tone, "Nooooo".
So, my next move may or may not have been the right thing to do. We've (not me, I was still in gradeschool) been doing c-sections for double footling breech babies since the early 1980's. The problem with the footling breech is that with the hips extended, the diameter of the breech isn't large enough to obstruct the pelvis completely. The problems with that are 2 fold. The first is that the umbilical cord can easily prolapse, and that is a huge problem. The other problem is that below 34 weeks or 1500 grams, the intertrochanteric diameter of the fetus is smaller than the head. That means that with a footling breech presentation, especially, the hips can deliver through a cervix that isn't dilated enough to allow delivery of the head.
The other problem, related to the situation, was that we had no idea what baby A's heart rate was. The reason the intern thought the baby was "vertex" but couldn't see the body was that it was breech with the body in the vagina, so the only thin in the pelvis for the intern to see was the head.
The other problem is that once the baby's partially delivered, you've passed a point of no return, where in all likelihood, the probability of fetal damage (sometimes just bruising, sometimes fractures, sometimes cervical spine injuries) is high if you try to push the baby up into the uterus for a c-section.
However, the problem with a breech extraction (instead of an assisted vaginal breech delivery) is that you can startle the baby, cause it to moro, and end up with a nuchal arm, which can be difficult to reduce, and I have, once broken a humerus attempting to deliver a baby with a nuchal arm. (Although it sounds bad, apparently baby bones heal really well... that baby did fine, delivered, no permanent injury). With an assisted vaginal breech delivery, you have the mom push the baby out until it's delivered to the level of the scapulae, and then you sweep the arms, flex the head and have a baby!
Remembering my obstetrical history and lore, I remembered that footling breech=breech extraction because of the risk of cord prolapse, which can be occult (unseen), and that all other breeches (of singletons or first twins)=labored assisted vaginal breech delivery.
So... I pulled the rest of the baby out, swept the arms, flexed the head, and handed him off to the neonatologists, pink and screaming, APGARs 8/9. Now, I do wonder if, with a small baby (wt ended up being 1300gms, a little smaller than the usual lower limit for a vaginal breech, but the baby decided to come that way anyway), and first twin, if at that point, it might have been better to have the mom push the baby out (i.e. assisted vaginal breech); but I'm not sure.[1]
Remember, at this point, I still had gloves on, no gown. The intern (who needs to be taught how to scan twins... this is not her fault!), said, "Oh, second baby's vertex!". Then I breathe, and decide to relax.
And I go to check and feel for the head, and realize I have my arm in the patient's vagina up to the elbow with no gown. I turn to my chief resident (the one who caught my forceps mistake earlier), see that she's gloved, gowned, and ready, and I say, "Chief, can you deliver this baby for me, this is kinda gross [referring to my icky vaginal goo and blood coated bare arm]?".
Chief says, "Sure, no problem." Did I mention that Chief had practiced obstetrics in her home country for 16 years before emmigrating to the US? She's got more Ob experience than I do. It's great being on call with her.
Chief says to me, "Um... the baby's transverse spine down, I can't get a foot, we're going to need to do a c-section."
Now, it just seems stupid to do a vaginal delivery of a breech first twin, and then to do a c-section for the second twin. I would really feel like the fetus had defeated us.
But, there's no time for me to put on a gown. Morbidity and mortality in second twins seems to be proportional to the time between the delivery of the first twin and delivery of the second twin. The longer you wait, the more likely it is the second twin will have problems.
So, if you're going to do it, you do it now.
So, I put my arm in, found a foot, performed an internal podalic version (turing the baby to breech from inside the uterus), and pulled the baby down.
Problem.
This baby is twice the size of the first.
But I've already pulled it down. We're past the point of no return. F*&#!!
I do have a backup attending on call with me. That attending covers most of the gyn stuff, and I do the obstetrics. I did remember that the attending had grey hair and a southern accent, which made me suspicious he had done a breech or two in his lifetime. I say (?yell?), "Call Dr. Attending, and ask him to come to the hospital and meet us in the OR." Thinking that if the baby's not out by the time Dr. Attending gets there, then we'll really need him, but it would be too late to call him.
But the second baby came out just fine. Pull the feet... pull the hips....blue towel (babies are slippery!)... pull the body, thumbs parallel to the spine so as not to twist it... watch the adrenals (both the baby's and mine!), sweep the first arm... sweep the second arm... flex the head... baby on mom's tummy.
Breathe.... breathe... breathe.
The result? Baby A boy, APGARs 8/9, wt 1300gms, Baby B girl, APGARs 8/9, wt 2400 gms. Both now screaming in the nursery. The girl will probably get to go home with mom (if feedings go well), the boy will have to stay for "gaining and growing".
A happy little family.
A mom glad that she didn't have a c-section.
High fives with the residents, nurses. Hugs from the patient and her husband. Is it bad to high-five at a birth?
I like breeches. I'm good at breeches, in general. I've probably done 30-40, which is more than most practicing obstetricians.
I'm just not good at teaching them. I get a little too nervous. I should have let Chief deliver the baby once I'd pulled the feet into the vagina. But, I was a bit scared.
So, all in all, a happy ending, but I still need to work on being more able to turn the reigns, even on the tough cases, over to the residents.
It's just that I've been out of residency less than a year, so I'm not quite as confident as I could be, sometimes, and I still worry. Sometimes a lot.
But vaginal breech delivery is a good skill to have, because people do show up too advanced in labor for a c-section, sometimes, and it's important to recognize it and be able to make quick decisions about it. You don't want to injure a baby worse trying to push it back up into the uterus to do a c-section. You don't want to cause unnecesary fractures [2] because of a lack of skill with a breech delivery. It's a conundrum, because the vaginal breech is a dying art. But it's a problem that's not going to go completely away, because there's going to continue to be a need for it, however infrequent. It's not a terribly difficult procedure, the maneuvers are technically easy, it's the decision making that's hard, and the decision making requires experience. And experience, for the residents and for their future patients who arrive with feet and scrotum hanging out of their vagina, requires me to calm down and let the residents do it.
And I'm one of the few docs who still will do vaginal breech deliveries. So if I don't teach it, who will?
(Pictures gratefully stolen from Birthing Way)
[1] Note to self: Find an old attending who has done breeches for a long time and ask him/her what they think.
[2] There are necesary fractures. The fracture of a humerus to release a head entrapment due to a nuchal arm. The intentional fracture of a baby's clavicle to allow delivery in a severe shoulder dystocia (which I've only ever done twice, it's a terrible feeling, to break a baby's bone on purpose).
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40 Comments:
When I first saw the photos I thought wow..midwife was snapping photos while delivering, very talented :)
I can only imagine how completely nerve racking that situation must be. Split second decisions can make all the difference. Sadly we know all too well with friends that had twins. One was delivered fine, the second had major complications and precious time was wasted. He was severely brain damaged. I can't even imagine the sorrow the doctor must have felt, and know what the family went through. OB work is very courageous!
Wow what an amazing story and outcome.
I don't even know anyone who has delivered a breech baby vaginally. Your experience is so valuable.
I also wondered if those photos were 'live'!
Wow, that's something to wake up to, eh? I bet you didn't even need coffee!
ps. It must be incredibly hard to step back and let someone else do something that's potentially dangerous so that they can learn. How did your teachers negotiate that? Did you end up watching lots before you did your first breeches, or were they just situations where you really didn't have much choice?
My first breech delivery was a 22 weeker, and I was coached through it by the larbor room LPN, who had done more than a few in her lifetime...
first off you rock, that was a fun read. i hated ob-gyn, i think mostly because all my residents were mean. second, break whatever bone you want (except the spine) it will heal; try to avoid the brachial plexus palsy though (as you already know). third, i am going to forward this to my ob-gyn buddy. he would love this. fourth, will you marry me :) ...
Will you explain what the difference is between a breech extraction and an assisted vaginal breech delivery? I'm not getting the difference... (embarrassed to ask but admittedly brain fried at having to review embryology for my final upcoming' hoping I alread know the answer but it's tucked in the far reaches of my brain.)
ohn: Hah! That would be completely nuts. Re: those twins. That's very sad. It's one of the reasons I feel like the clock's really ticking when you're doing a twin delivery.
lisab: Yeah. breeches are uncommon these days.
bardiac: Yeah, quite the adrenaline rush. Which never hits me until afterwards. My attending (who'd just got there after the second baby was out) was like, "why don't you go take a shower. You look like you could use a drink! Good job!" And clapped me on the shoulder. Re: letting someone else take over, all of my teachers had been out of residency for a few years (like 5-40 years out), which helps, I think. I was also an aggressive little resident. I carried forceps around with me, I called attendings at home and said, "I have a GREAT candidate for a breech extraction, can you come do it with me?" At times I was a bit of a bull in a china shop, offering and counselling every patient about every possible procedure and intervention I could justify. Pushing your limits with good experienced backup as a resident is a great way to get expertise. I think the attendings thought that it was cute that I was so aggressive and interested in such "arcane" techniques as forceps, versions, and breech deliveries.
tbtam: Yeah, at my program, we did the stillborn/previable breeches with the nurses as R2/R3s and then breech extractions and labored breeches on viable infants as R4s with the attending. My first, though was a surprise 28 weeker, PPROM'd on our antepartum unit when I was an R2.
someonetc: Heh. Forward away. I'm flattered. And I'm relieved to know the bones really do heal just like they say. I can't believe you're not already married though. I thought that chicks dig bone docs. ;)
Frectis: Sure. Don't be embarassed!
(Total) Breech extraction=put hand inside vagina/uterus, grab feet, pull baby out to hips, grab hips, pull at 45 degree angle to bed, sweep and rotate to deliver the arms, and then flex the head.
Assisted vaginal breech delivery: Mom pushes and you do nothing (except be ready to catch) until the baby's delivered to above the level of the umbilicus. Rotate the baby and sweep the arms, and then flex the head.
The difference is the pulling part. With an assisted vaginal breech, you don't pull until it's time to deliver the arms. With a breech extraction you pull the whole baby out. The method where you don't pull is usually safer, except for 2nd twins or maybe for a footling breech.
H.o.l.y. crud! I was nervous just reading it! What a great outcome, I always felt very sorry for twin moms who have to recover from a vaginal birth and a c-section.
One time on Maternity Ward there was a 26? weeker footling breach whose head was stuck--don't remember the outcome, but it was horrible to watch.
Congrats on doing it well!
Gracias for the explanation of terminology-- I knew that! ;) If my entire collection of midwifery textbooks weren't packed away I'd verify for myself how they describe the two techniques. I'm not sure they differentiate the two techniques by *name* rather than just by *description* of the technique (if I'm making sense). I was thinking since you refer to your expertise with forceps AND breech that forceps and extraction were somehow linked. Extraction sounds so mechanical and overrode my knowledge base for some dumb reason.
Wow. A great story! If I ever know at all what to do at a delivery, it will be because of your utterly riveting blog. Thank you!
I'm very sentimental, especially about births, so I'm sure Iwould have high - fived... :-)
Why not anyway?!
Wow - that was like reading a thriller - so exciting! Glad there was a good outcome.
I am so happy to read this story. I have never been on your blog site before and it came through on another - please, do teach as many residents as you can. You're so right that vaginal breech is such a dying art, but there are too many mothers who wish for a vaginal birth and are forced into a "necessary" cesarean. Have you ever heard of ICAN? http://www.ican-online.org - contact us with your contact information, if you have'nt already - we would love to post you as a breech-friendly doctor.
AWESOME!! 1300 g & 2400 g...what was the story there? Not a twin/twin transfusion? The little guy was sure "feeding from the hind tit" to borrow a country expression! Unfortunately in these days of breech=c/section, the only ones we do anymore are like that...preterm, diagnosed at complete, or both.
I must admit, one of the things I hate most is that one twin vaginally/one twin c/section thing...nothing like having two areas of your body trying to heal at once (esp if a "generous" epis was cut for numero uno).
S.: Head entrapments are a bad, scary business!
frectis: They can be. If you have a hard time with the aftercoming head of a breech, you can use special forceps (Pipers) to get it out.
signout: That's so nice of you to say! :)
ms-e: Yeah. The mom didn't mind. She and the dad laughed at us. :) She said, "I coulda told you not to stress, the babies were going to come just fine. I've done this before". :)
anon: Thanks. Sadly, I don't accept private patients, so I can't really advertise my services. Still, flattering, none the less. (The poor quality of evidence favoring c-section over vaginal breech is highly annoying to me).
just a midwife: That old country expression is probably true. The little guy just ended up with a smaller placenta. Twin-Twin transfusion only happens in identical twins.
I do not encourage a vaginal delivery for any twins who I am not convinced I can deliver vaginally, including the breech extraction (so many twins can turn to transverse or breech after their sib is delivered). And I only cut epises in case of emergency. I only section for second twins in case of emergency. I believe that normal labor (ok, semi-normal, I'm all about epidurals... they make the breeches safer) is the best way to birth almost all babies.
The version was the best part. We have to call older Russian doctors to do that. It always makes me sad, it's a dying art...even external ones before labor.
What is a good midwifery/ob book?
I'm not the same person as anonymous above, but please do send ICAN your name, even though you're not accepting private patients. Even knowing that there exists a doctor at one hospital who doesn't freak out at breech births could be enough to send me to that hospital over another. And even if there's no chance that anyone would ever get you (or a even resident you trained) on a birth, there's value just in growing that list, helping to change the culture of automatic Caesarean.
I'm sorry, I know this is a stupid question, but babies aren't supposed to be that colour, are they?
What is a good midwifery/ob book?
I have Varney's Midwifery and Obsetrics: Normal and Problem Pregnancies. Those are two good textbooks. My Varney is about to fall apart from reference. Another I need to get is Williams Obstetrics (the granddaddy). I have the condensed version. This is another wishlist book: Maternal Fetal Medicine.
Sheesh, I wish you were in my city. I have had no end of trouble with our midwives and their backup doctor because my baby was still flipping around at 39weeks. Nobody wants a breech, even frank. I had planned to labor in the parking lot and wait until I was pushing before we went into the hospital, if it came to that.
My mom (a family practice doc) had a pregnant patient arrive at her office ready to push with a footling breech, about 25 years ago. She got the lady in her car and drove her to the ER, but that was one of her scariest moments as a doctor ever. Baby was delivered in the ER and everyone was just fine.
"A Dying Art" is an understatement.
I've actually lectured EMT's on how to conduct a breech delivery...but I've only ever done one vaginal breech delivery....(the woman slipped that baby out easier than passing gas)....
All the breeches I've delivered have been c-sections. I believe that we need to lose the panic associated with breech deliveries because there will be that day that a woman will show at the hospital with a pair of little feet hanging out of her vagina! Perhaps I should start carrying around a pair of forceps in my coat too :)
Brilliant, inspiring post. I'm glad I'm in Britain so forceps and vaginal breeches aren't so strange. Some OBs remain reluctant though. Agree that breech trial was very annoying especially as the follow up results concluded no difference over time.
It must be so hard to pass over to the residents, although essential. I think it must get easier the longer you are an attending / consultant.
JD
Okay...my adrenaline is slowly coming down - what a great post!
Nothing like a set of twins: sis-in-law had one vag, one C-section and born on two different days (right before and then after midnight). She got all the works in one pregnancy!
How times have changed! When I was a midwifery student in the UK in the mid-70s, all multip breeches were MIDWIVES' cases--although to be frank (no pun intended)we usually had a doctor in the vicinity. I wouldn't like to deliver a breech now, too many years without doing one, but at least I had considerable experience.
I remember an instance in the 80s, working in an Israeli cottage hospital, with a patient whose labor was not progressing due to persistent OP. Just as we were beginning to think that a C/S was going to be inevitable, a doctor from Romania came in with forceps. "I do Scanzoni" he said and proceeded to do a fantastic delivery. The Israeli doctor I was working with muttered "Thought that went out with the Middle Ages" to which Dr. Romania smiled "Romania still in Dark Ages". It turned out there had been no OR in his hospital; it was forceps or death. He'd had LOTS of practice.
great story!
Great story! Thanks for sharing it and more importantly, thanks for letting that mom birth her babies instead of cutting them from her body. I had the privilege of attending the birth (I was the doula) of a baby last year that presented breech. The mom had an unmedicated birth and the baby was almost 8 lbs. It is really a "lost art" and it's so encouraging to hear of doctors who are still willing to do breech deliveries. I am sure this mother is grateful that she is not recoving from abdominal surgery right now.
great story! my friend gave me this link to read, as i've been having an issue w/a pushy doctor who is hell-bent on cutting my twins out of my uterus (early, if he gets his way). i'm unhappy with this, and i'm glad to read some great stories about the process of birthing breech. (the doc is using one's breech position as an excuse to justify a caesarian, which is making me so mad.) i'm tempted to make the move from ny to wherever you are just to have a normal vaginal birth w/o having to fight for it. thanks for sharing!
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"Remembering my obstetrical history and lore, I remembered that footling breech=breech extraction because of the risk of cord prolapse, which can be occult (unseen), and that all other breeches (of singletons or first twins)=labored assisted vaginal breech delivery."
Wow, great story.
Not sure if you will check the comments for this entry but if you could clarify something for me, that would be great... I was taught that even if it's a footling breech you should manage expectantly (ie not pull on the feet) provided that the fetal heart rate is stable. If the FHR is non-reassuring, then you do a breech extraction.
Of course, obviously in your story, there was no way of knowing what the fetal rate was at that moment.
Hi I loved reading about this. I am a Mom of twins who ahd this happen! I am excited to see the medical world attempting to do this. I had my twins at 40 weeks 5 days. We had an ultrasound the week before and my son was vertex he decided to flip to frank breech sometime after that and my daughter was born as a footling posterior breech. Thank you for giving the mom the opportunity to have a breech vaginal birth.
Twin mom.
How does an epidural make a breech delivery safer?
This reminds me of the tale of my father's birth in 1927-home birth, baby # 3. Bigmama (dad's mother) labored all day without any progress, so the doctor was called in. Dad turned out to be a transverse baby with one shoulder blocking the way. Doc reached in, turned him, grabbed his feet and pulled him out . Dad weighed in at 12 pounds, very healthy!
This reminds me of the tale of my father's birth in 1927-home birth, baby # 3. Bigmama (dad's mother) labored all day without any progress, so the doctor was called in. Dad turned out to be a transverse baby with one shoulder blocking the way. Doc reached in, turned him, grabbed his feet and pulled him out . Dad weighed in at 12 pounds, very healthy!
Thank you for trusting birth.
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I am sure you have seen her site:
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Midwifery Skills needed for Breech Birth
Thanks to Linda for forwarding this to me!
I too am interested to know why an epi makes breech (or is it twin B) easier?
My Baby A is vertex but B flipped breech during a LONG hospital u/s due to suspected (and since ruled out) IUGR. She's still breech, and now my doc is talking to me about repeat cesarean.
I was unaware that baby b's position in utero was terribly significant since there is so much room for the baby to reposition once A is out of the way.
Can anyone explain this? Also, why would he be concerned that a manual version (interior or exterior) would strain my previous scar?
A friend of mine told me about your blog as I'm very interested in breech-competent doctors, being that I had 3/3 breech babies (I have a septate uterus). The last was born vaginally.
I am hoping to encourage ACOG to actually stand behind their own guidelines and support breech skills training.
Even if docs aren't crazy about attending breech, surprises happen as your account illustrates and staff need to be prepared.
I'd love to "talk" more with you about this.
Christie
US Chapter Leader, Coalition for Breech Birth
Sorry, I'm admittedly feeling feisty lately, but does anyone else think that it exactly that people in general, and providers more specifically "freak out" about breech that is the problem?
Before cesareans were the tool at the ready that they are today, a breech baby was a breech baby. As a friend pointed out to me when I was trying to decide what to do about my 3rd breech baby, had I lived in another time, I would have had breech babies and that would have been that. No freaking about it, and I would never have known that I had a septum most likely.
Could something have gone wrong? You bet, but do things go wrong today, some of them because of all the wonderful "technology"? You bet!
Okay, stepping off my soap box. Wait, no. I can't help but think of what Maggie Banks said in her book "Breech Birth Woman-Wise", (paraphrasing probably not well): women who choose to birth their breech babies vaginally go through a process that makes them uniquely suited to lead the decision-making process.
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I think I found the answer to my earlier breech question. I think it's wonderful that you were so adamant about learning the 'arcane' techniques. I wish more obstetricians would follow in your footsteps.
I live and work (as a doula and apprentice midwife) in Hungary, and only one doctor that we know of is willing to do things like ECVs. And even though the Hungarian College of Obstetrics specifically favors vaginal deliveries for breeches over routine C-sections, most doctors are still unwilling to do them.
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